by Shawn Weber, JD, CLS-F* | Apr 1, 2017 | Uncategorized
What’s the difference between a divorce and an annulment?
I often have a potential client call me and say that he or she wants a marriage annulment. Often the request is based on confusion about the differences between an annulment and a divorce. The differences are profound and I will attempt to lay them out here.
Dissolution of Marriage
First, a divorce is a dissolution of a marriage. In other words, we take a marriage that existed and terminate it. We speak in terms of “length of the marriage” being the period between the date of marriage and the date of separation. To get a divorce in California, a person must have lived within the State of California for six months and the county of residence for at least three months before filing. There is also a six-month waiting period from when the Petition for Dissolution of Marriage is served before the divorce can be granted. With divorce come the issues of spousal support (or alimony) and division of community property.
Annulment
In contrast, if the court grants an annulment (or nullity), it is as if the marriage never existed. Crucially, a person does not need to meet the residency requirements. There is no six-month waiting period before the annulment is granted. Because the marriage never technically existed, issues of spousal support and community property typically (with some exceptions that I won’t get into here) fall by the wayside.
There are strict requirements for getting an annulment in California.
To get an annulment in California, the Court requires that there are specific “grounds”. The available grounds for a nullity are:
- The marriage was incestuous. (Cal. Fam. § 2200);
- The marriage was bigamous (Cal. Fam. § 2201);
- One of the parties was below the age of consent at the time of marriage (Cal. Fam. §2210(a));
- One of the parties had a prior existing marriage to another person believed to be dead, but isn’t (Cal. Fam. §2210(b));
- A party was of unsound mind at the time of marriage (Cal. Fam. §2210(c));
- A party obtained the consent marry by fraud (Cal. Fam. §2210(d);
- A party obtained the consent to marry by force (Cal. Fam. §2210(e); or
- Either party was, at the time of marriage, physically incapable of entering into the marriage state, and that incapacity continues and appears to be incurable. (Cal. Fam. §2210(f)).
A party seeking an annulment must prove that one of the above grounds is met. Otherwise, the court won’t grant the nullity and the party will need to seek a divorce.
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by Shawn Weber, JD, CLS-F* | Mar 21, 2017 | Uncategorized
In my divorce mediation career, I’ve learned over the years that people approach divorce from different places. Sometimes people want the divorce very badly and are happy to get started. Others are devastated by the breakup.
It’s not uncommon for a couple in the process of their separation to move at different speeds. One party may be ready to move quickly while the other spouse may be having a terrible time and may need to move more slowly. In my experience, the divorce mediation will only move as quickly as the slowest person. That can be very frustrating to the spouse who wants it over with. My best advice is to take your time and give the other person the time and space he or she needs.
Divorce can feel like a death.
In her seminal work, on Death and Dying, Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross describes the “Five Stages of Grief”. They are Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance. Divorce professionals have learned to spot these very same stages and patterns when people face the loss of their marriage during a divorce. (See The Emotional Stages of Divorce: What to Expect During and After the Divorce ProcessThe Emotional Stages of Divorce: What to Expect During and After the Divorce Process) We’ve learned that people are unable to effectively deal with the present issues of the divorce without reaching the point of acceptance that the divorce is happening. But to get to acceptance, people first need to travel through the other four grief stages. That can take some time. If you’ve sat with your decision to divorce for awhile before breaking it to your spouse, it is likely that you went through the five stages of grief on your own before reaching your own point of acceptance. Your spouse, who may be just learning of your intention to divorce is late to the grief cycle. You’ll need to afford him or her some patience and time to work through it.
If you’ve been sitting with your decision to divorce for awhile before breaking it to your spouse, it is likely that you went through the five stages of grief on your own before reaching your own point of acceptance. Your spouse, who may be just learning of your intention to divorce is late to the grief cycle. You’ll need to afford him or her some patience and time to work through it.
Forcing a person to complete a divorce case before completing the grief process can be problematic.
First, a rushed agreement is rarely followed.
The person who is rushed will resent the process and will likely make efforts to undermine or to revise the agreement. Worse, a party who agreed under duress would have grounds to set aside the settlement altogether. It is better to take the time to get the settlement right so that there is buy-in from both parties.
Second, pushing the slower party often has the opposite of the intended effect.
If you own a dog, you may very well know the behavior that happens when you try to pull on a dog’s leash. The dog will tug in the opposite direction or may even stubbornly stop moving or sit down. In divorce mediation, trying to rush a party often has the same effect. The slower spouse who is rushed may even slow down more.
Third, not allowing the slower spouse room to accept and deal emotionally with the divorce mediation process can lead the pushed spouse to choose more aggressive and expense processes such as divorce litigation.
Trust me, the wheels of justice at court will turn even slower. So it’s best to work with your spouse to try to reach consensus. But if that consensus doesn’t come overnight, it’s not the end of the world. Letting your spouse have the time in a safe space to deliberate, review financials and consult with a lawyer is best even for the faster spouse because pushing a person too hard can lead to a much slower court process.
In Divorce Mediation, Slower is Faster.
So be patient and compassionate towards your soon-to-be ex. Let him or her have time to deal with the emotional pain of the breakup. Don’t push so hard that he or she slows down or worse, chooses to litigate. Sometimes slower is, in fact, faster.
See also these related posts:
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by Shawn Weber, JD, CLS-F* | Feb 18, 2017 | Uncategorized
Divorce Expenses
A wedding in the United States costs on average more than $26,000. This doesn’t include the honeymoon. (Source: Average Wedding Cost) Add raising kids at a cost of $233,610 per kid and the cost of your family can be very, very high. (Source: It costs $233,610 to raise a child) Surprisingly, even with the high rate of divorce in America, people think very little about the cost of divorce until it is upon them.
Most Americans are shocked at the many tens of thousands of dollars it can take to get a divorce. In my experience, a contested divorce can be anywhere from $20,000 to $100,000 for the average couple in San Diego County. (This figure is based on the averages I have seen in my personal practice back when I used to litigate.)
Contested divorce expenses are usually higher because of high legal fees. People often overlook other “hidden” divorce expenses like the cost to refinance or sell a house. Not to mention reorganizing their social security, so that they are covered for when they retire and visit a Florida, New York, Illinois Social Security office, or any other region to make sure that they are prepared. Additionally, there can be increased costs for couples to have anything close to the same lifestyle they had before the divorce.
Moving to different households means that couples can’t pool their resources and efforts as they did before. When you are buying two gallons of milk instead of one, life just costs more. Finally, it is hard to put a price tag on the emotional toll on the family in tears, sleepless nights, stress and worry that are just part of an adversarial divorce.
Conflict Is Expensive
All in all, divorce expenses in adversarial or litigated cases with a divorce lawyer are worse because conflict is expensive. Conflict simply costs more than harmony. Spending money to fight, investigate, litigate and generally be adverse simply drives up the price tag.
Conversely, peaceful options for divorce such as collaborative divorce or mediation can help keep divorce expenses in check. At my family law office in Solana Beach, California, the average divorce mediation cost falls anywhere between $5,000 and $9,000.
Of course, the costs largely depend on the complexity of the case and the level of conflict. As a mediator, folks pay me for my ability to help manage and resolve disputes. When the conflict is higher, that means I have more work to do, which, in turn, makes it cost more.
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Divorce mediation cost is generally less than going to court. There are several reasons for this.
Divorce Mediation is Cheaper Because of Informal Discovery.
At court, formal discovery is one of the most costly elements of a case. In a divorce mediation process, discovery is often done informally with much lower costs. A divorce attorney can make tons of money off of depositions, demands for production of documents and interrogatories, each of which requires specialized formal responses at a high hourly rate.
In mediation sessions, parties choose less costly approaches to value assets than in litigation. Agreement puts an end to the need for forensic purity. If the parties agree on a valuation method, or even a value, then there is no need to hire a costly expert.
Divorce Mediation is Cheaper Because The Parties Drive the Process
In mediation, parties drive the process as opposed to court where the lawyers control everything. In litigation, you pay for time spent on the case at the lawyer’s hourly rate. If your attorney is the ones driving the bus, then the bills will pile up.
In contrast, divorce mediation encourages the divorcing couple to drive the process and do a lot of the work themselves. The mediator is there to guide and facilitate, but the parties make decisions.
It’s still good to bring in lawyers, but in mediation the lawyer’s role is more consultative than directive. You can use your consulting attorney on an as-needed basis and avoid paying her to run the entire case. Get your legal advice and make your decisions with the information you need. But let mediation keep costs down by keeping the lawyers out of the day-to-day management.
Divorce Mediation Cost Is Low Because There Is Less Involvement with the Courts.
In a litigated case, there is a lot of interaction with the court. Lawyers file motions and must attend hearings. Any interaction with the courts will cost you in billable hours.
Plus, courts are overburdened and slow. A simple issue can take months to resolve. Formal legal rules and procedures add to the costs by forcing your attorney to do more work. This is why getting a good lawyer, like those at Sisemore Law to name an example, is important.
In contrast, mediation cuts down on the need to interact with the court. In my mediation practice, I can resolve most concerns in a fraction of the time that a court would take. This keeps the divorce mediation cost lower. Less formality translates to faster outcomes and fewer billable hours.
Divorce Mediation Cost is Low Because It Reduces Conflict and Reduces Emotional Damage
You really can’t put a price tag on the human cost families feel when parties litigate. Divorce is tough enough. Litigation can actually make the conflict worse.
For example, children suffer as a result of the conflict. (Aside from therapy bills, your children may have a lifetime of emotional cost if exposed to conflict.) Instead of fighting, reducing the conflict by finding solutions to problems greatly reduces the impact on the kids.
Also, people going through a divorce feel a huge amount of stress as it is. Conflict just adds to that stress. This takes us to things like religion, in which so many people find comfort and peace. Having faith in something may restore your faith in other aspects of your life. Prayers are also a common form of reassurance, especially for struggling couples. Read up about goodnight prayers for couples if you think religion may be the answer. With a resolution through mediation, people are more knowledgeable about how to resolve issues without harming each other, their children, and others, while experiencing peace.
Does mediation sound like the right process for you?
If so, then give us a call at 858-410-0144 to schedule your first session now.
See Also:
https://weberdisputeresolution.com/explore-our-services/mediation/
https://weberdisputeresolution.com/early-intervention-mediation-settlement-conference-divorce-case/
https://weberdisputeresolution.com/working-with-attorneys-in-mediation/
https://weberdisputeresolution.com/five-questions-ask-hiring-divorce-mediator/
https://weberdisputeresolution.com/is-divorce-mediation-legally-binding/
by Shawn Weber, JD, CLS-F* | Aug 26, 2016 | Uncategorized
Not every divorce mediator is the same.
In fact, some are much better than others. What’s more, a bad family mediator can cost you a lot of stress and money in the long run. Good conflict resolution requires a very specific set of skills. In other words, it’s best to get a mediator as your neutral third party who knows what she is doing.
In California, there are no licensure requirements for mediators. So, it’s buyer beware to some extent.
Here are some questions to ask a divorce mediator:
#1: How much mediation training has the mediator had?
Training is really important. Good mediators have a specific skill set in working with parties to resolve their differences. These listening and communication skills are crucial to a case going well or poorly.
Make sure your mediator has sufficient training and has received continuing training too. For example, if they just took a course 15 years ago without getting updates, they will probably lack crucial skills.
Looking for divorce mediation training?
Check out Family Resolution Institute here
for more information.
#2: What other professional credentials does the mediator have?
Make sure your mediator has professional know-how beyond just a one-time mediation training course. Typical mediators are either lawyers, mental health professionals or financial professionals. They should have a working knowledge of the family law issues you are going to face.
When drafting a settlement agreement, it is often helpful to have a lawyer serve as your mediator. Mental health professionals are excellent for custody cases or cases where emotions are high. Financial professionals help a ton with money issues. If there is no other underlying credential, you might want to look elsewhere.
Also, be careful of unlicensed professionals. For instance, just because someone has a J.D., they may not necessarily be a licensed attorney. You certainly don’t want a disbarred attorney as your mediator. If they don’t have an active license, ask why.
#3: Is the mediator a full-time mediator, or a dabbler?
It’s best to get a mediator who mediates on a full-time basis. Be careful of dabblers. A person who mediates full-time takes the profession seriously.
People often get into trouble if they hire a person whose full-time job is as an adversarial attorney or a therapist, for example, who may only mediate now and then. Such folks will likely not have the skills you need to get results.
#4: Beware of one-day or super cheap processes.
Marriage is not an easy thing to unwind. Be careful of mediators who promise results in one day or some other very short time period. Chances are, you will feel rushed, and your settlement will not cover what it needs to cover. A good process typically involves several mediation sessions.
Also, be careful of super-cheap mediators. In many cases, you really do get what you pay for. There can be lasting consequences if you rush your divorce process and miss something important. Spend the time and money to get it right!
#5: Ask the divorce mediator about his/her process and conflict resolution style.
Every mediator is different and may have a different style. Some mediators are much more facilitative while others are more directive and evaluative. As a result, the relationship with your mediator is very personal.
A mediator who is excellent for one couple may not be so good for another. So take the time to get to know the mediator, her process, and style before you agree to mediate.
Very importantly, don’t rely on your mediator for legal advice. Even if your mediator is an attorney, he can’t be YOUR attorney because of conflict of interest concerns. So it is always smart during any mediation process to consult with a lawyer to ensure your decisions are informed.
It’s important to know the right questions to ask a divorce mediator. Hopefully, these tips will help you with the mediator selection process.
At Weber Dispute Resolution, we provide both collaborative law and mediation services. To get more information, give us a call at 858-410-0144.
Further reading:
https://weberdisputeresolution.com/divorce-mediation-cost/
https://weberdisputeresolution.com/mediation-divorce-complicated-financial-issues/
